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	<title>Comments on: Amazon.com vs. States &#8211; associates lose</title>
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		<title>By: John Dilbeck</title>
		<link>http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/2009/06/29/amazoncom-vs-states-associates-lose/#comment-1810</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dilbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These new and proposed tax laws will have many unintended side effects that will affect both affiliates and merchants.

For merchants, it will mean greatly-more-complicated accounting and tracking, plus collecting and paying sales taxes to states in which they actually have no physical nexus. This is probably unconstitutional.

(I am not a lawyer and don&#039;t want to be one. Do not take this as legal advice or anything other than a rant by a disgruntled small business owner.)

As I&#039;ve said, even though I live in NC, none of my websites are hosted on servers located in NC, so do I really have a physical-presence in the state when it comes to affiliate marketing?

That aside, is a commission-only marketing rep in a state really a nexus? What&#039;s the difference between paying me a commission and placing a classified ad in a newspaper printed and distributed in NC? Will a paid ad eventually be considered a nexus and will the states try to collect sales tax as a result?

This is going to get messy.

The only thing that will resolve this issue will be when the Supreme Court issues a ruling or the US legislature passes laws that affect all the states and not just a few of them.

After all, this concerns interstate commerce and should fall under the jurisdiction of the federal government, not the individual states.

Still, I hold Amazon.com responsible for what they did. No matter what happens in the future, they&#039;ve lost me as an affiliate and a customer. 

It just galls me at this point whenever I think that I have thousands of links sending them potential customers and it&#039;s going to take weeks to find and remove all of them.

It looks like I&#039;ll probably be getting out of the affiliate marketing business this year.

Sigh.

Act on your dream!

JD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These new and proposed tax laws will have many unintended side effects that will affect both affiliates and merchants.</p>
<p>For merchants, it will mean greatly-more-complicated accounting and tracking, plus collecting and paying sales taxes to states in which they actually have no physical nexus. This is probably unconstitutional.</p>
<p>(I am not a lawyer and don&#8217;t want to be one. Do not take this as legal advice or anything other than a rant by a disgruntled small business owner.)</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said, even though I live in NC, none of my websites are hosted on servers located in NC, so do I really have a physical-presence in the state when it comes to affiliate marketing?</p>
<p>That aside, is a commission-only marketing rep in a state really a nexus? What&#8217;s the difference between paying me a commission and placing a classified ad in a newspaper printed and distributed in NC? Will a paid ad eventually be considered a nexus and will the states try to collect sales tax as a result?</p>
<p>This is going to get messy.</p>
<p>The only thing that will resolve this issue will be when the Supreme Court issues a ruling or the US legislature passes laws that affect all the states and not just a few of them.</p>
<p>After all, this concerns interstate commerce and should fall under the jurisdiction of the federal government, not the individual states.</p>
<p>Still, I hold Amazon.com responsible for what they did. No matter what happens in the future, they&#8217;ve lost me as an affiliate and a customer. </p>
<p>It just galls me at this point whenever I think that I have thousands of links sending them potential customers and it&#8217;s going to take weeks to find and remove all of them.</p>
<p>It looks like I&#8217;ll probably be getting out of the affiliate marketing business this year.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>Act on your dream!</p>
<p>JD</p>
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		<title>By: bigknd</title>
		<link>http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/2009/06/29/amazoncom-vs-states-associates-lose/#comment-1794</link>
		<dc:creator>bigknd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes not looking good, not hit us yet in the UK but were not usually far behind you guys.
.-= bigknd&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thefreepeoplesearchblog.com/2009/07/spreading-free-people-search-word.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spreading the Free People Search Word&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes not looking good, not hit us yet in the UK but were not usually far behind you guys.<br />
<span class="cluv"> bigknd&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.thefreepeoplesearchblog.com/2009/07/spreading-free-people-search-word.html">Spreading the Free People Search Word</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Deneil Merritt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deneil Merritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for answering my question. Yeah, I didn&#039;t think about those people that make that much money that moving is the best option.
.-= Deneil Merritt&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DeneilMerritt/~3/fjfGmQ-Jyf0/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Flashback Monday – Good News, Great News, &amp; Killer Whale Arms?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for answering my question. Yeah, I didn&#8217;t think about those people that make that much money that moving is the best option.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Deneil Merritt&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DeneilMerritt/~3/fjfGmQ-Jyf0/">Flashback Monday – Good News, Great News, &amp; Killer Whale Arms?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/2009/06/29/amazoncom-vs-states-associates-lose/#comment-1769</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

Though I never was an affiliate of Amazon, you know how I feel about affiliates dropping people because they live in certain states.  That&#039;s been happening to me since last year, and I&#039;m just glad that not all of my affiliates have dropped me.

I really don&#039;t blame Amazon on this one, though.  The states have gotten greedy since the financial crisis hit.  I expect to see more things coming as time goes by, especially if things don&#039;t get any better.
.-= Mitch&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ImJustSharing/~3/v8Bj1uvp7So/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Social Media, SEO And Your Business in 90 Minutes&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Though I never was an affiliate of Amazon, you know how I feel about affiliates dropping people because they live in certain states.  That&#8217;s been happening to me since last year, and I&#8217;m just glad that not all of my affiliates have dropped me.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t blame Amazon on this one, though.  The states have gotten greedy since the financial crisis hit.  I expect to see more things coming as time goes by, especially if things don&#8217;t get any better.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Mitch&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ImJustSharing/~3/v8Bj1uvp7So/">Social Media, SEO And Your Business in 90 Minutes</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: John Dilbeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dilbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good evening, Deneil.

I don&#039;t know what he has decided, if anything, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/RichOwings&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Rich Owings&lt;/a&gt; said earlier today that he was meeting with his attorney to discuss corporate dissolution and moving out of NC. 

I suspect, but don&#039;t know for sure, that he&#039;s not the only one. Some people earn pretty big money from Amazon - or at least they did.

Act on your dream!

JD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good evening, Deneil.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what he has decided, if anything, but <a href="http://twitter.com/RichOwings" target="_blank">@Rich Owings</a> said earlier today that he was meeting with his attorney to discuss corporate dissolution and moving out of NC. </p>
<p>I suspect, but don&#8217;t know for sure, that he&#8217;s not the only one. Some people earn pretty big money from Amazon &#8211; or at least they did.</p>
<p>Act on your dream!</p>
<p>JD</p>
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		<title>By: Deneil Merritt</title>
		<link>http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/2009/06/29/amazoncom-vs-states-associates-lose/#comment-1761</link>
		<dc:creator>Deneil Merritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, people are really moving out of NC just to keep doing business with amazon?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, people are really moving out of NC just to keep doing business with amazon?<br />
<span class="cluv"> Deneil Merritt&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DeneilMerritt/~3/fjfGmQ-Jyf0/">Flashback Monday – Good News, Great News, &amp; Killer Whale Arms?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: John Dilbeck</title>
		<link>http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/2009/06/29/amazoncom-vs-states-associates-lose/#comment-1753</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dilbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good afternoon, Tim.

Welcome to our discussions.

I agree with you. I&#039;m worried about who else will drop all their affiliates on a state-by-state basis. This could have even more serious repercussions.

Act on your dream!

JD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good afternoon, Tim.</p>
<p>Welcome to our discussions.</p>
<p>I agree with you. I&#8217;m worried about who else will drop all their affiliates on a state-by-state basis. This could have even more serious repercussions.</p>
<p>Act on your dream!</p>
<p>JD</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Linden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Linden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep - I got my notice today that I&#039;m no longer an affiliate. Jokes on them though because I haven&#039;t made any money from it. What I really worry about is who will follow their lead..
.-= Tim Linden&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timlinden.com/blog/photography/where-did-you-all-go/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Where Did You All Go?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep &#8211; I got my notice today that I&#8217;m no longer an affiliate. Jokes on them though because I haven&#8217;t made any money from it. What I really worry about is who will follow their lead..<br />
<span class="cluv"> Tim Linden&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.timlinden.com/blog/photography/where-did-you-all-go/">Where Did You All Go?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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