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	<title>Comments on: Amazon.com vs. States - associates lose</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Dilbeck</title>
		<link>http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/2009/06/29/amazoncom-vs-states-associates-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-1810</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dilbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These new and proposed tax laws will have many unintended side effects that will affect both affiliates and merchants.

For merchants, it will mean greatly-more-complicated accounting and tracking, plus collecting and paying sales taxes to states in which they actually have no physical nexus. This is probably unconstitutional.

(I am not a lawyer and don't want to be one. Do not take this as legal advice or anything other than a rant by a disgruntled small business owner.)

As I've said, even though I live in NC, none of my websites are hosted on servers located in NC, so do I really have a physical-presence in the state when it comes to affiliate marketing?

That aside, is a commission-only marketing rep in a state really a nexus? What's the difference between paying me a commission and placing a classified ad in a newspaper printed and distributed in NC? Will a paid ad eventually be considered a nexus and will the states try to collect sales tax as a result?

This is going to get messy.

The only thing that will resolve this issue will be when the Supreme Court issues a ruling or the US legislature passes laws that affect all the states and not just a few of them.

After all, this concerns interstate commerce and should fall under the jurisdiction of the federal government, not the individual states.

Still, I hold Amazon.com responsible for what they did. No matter what happens in the future, they've lost me as an affiliate and a customer. 

It just galls me at this point whenever I think that I have thousands of links sending them potential customers and it's going to take weeks to find and remove all of them.

It looks like I'll probably be getting out of the affiliate marketing business this year.

Sigh.

Act on your dream!

JD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These new and proposed tax laws will have many unintended side effects that will affect both affiliates and merchants.</p>
<p>For merchants, it will mean greatly-more-complicated accounting and tracking, plus collecting and paying sales taxes to states in which they actually have no physical nexus. This is probably unconstitutional.</p>
<p>(I am not a lawyer and don&#8217;t want to be one. Do not take this as legal advice or anything other than a rant by a disgruntled small business owner.)</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said, even though I live in NC, none of my websites are hosted on servers located in NC, so do I really have a physical-presence in the state when it comes to affiliate marketing?</p>
<p>That aside, is a commission-only marketing rep in a state really a nexus? What&#8217;s the difference between paying me a commission and placing a classified ad in a newspaper printed and distributed in NC? Will a paid ad eventually be considered a nexus and will the states try to collect sales tax as a result?</p>
<p>This is going to get messy.</p>
<p>The only thing that will resolve this issue will be when the Supreme Court issues a ruling or the US legislature passes laws that affect all the states and not just a few of them.</p>
<p>After all, this concerns interstate commerce and should fall under the jurisdiction of the federal government, not the individual states.</p>
<p>Still, I hold Amazon.com responsible for what they did. No matter what happens in the future, they&#8217;ve lost me as an affiliate and a customer. </p>
<p>It just galls me at this point whenever I think that I have thousands of links sending them potential customers and it&#8217;s going to take weeks to find and remove all of them.</p>
<p>It looks like I&#8217;ll probably be getting out of the affiliate marketing business this year.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>Act on your dream!</p>
<p>JD</p>
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		<title>By: bigknd</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigknd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes not looking good, not hit us yet in the UK but were not usually far behind you guys.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes not looking good, not hit us yet in the UK but were not usually far behind you guys.<br />
<span class="cluv"> bigknd&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.thefreepeoplesearchblog.com/2009/07/spreading-free-people-search-word.html">Spreading the Free People Search Word</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Deneil Merritt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deneil Merritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for answering my question. Yeah, I didn't think about those people that make that much money that moving is the best option.
.-= Deneil Merritt&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DeneilMerritt/~3/fjfGmQ-Jyf0/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Flashback Monday – Good News, Great News, &#38; Killer Whale Arms?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for answering my question. Yeah, I didn&#8217;t think about those people that make that much money that moving is the best option.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Deneil Merritt&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DeneilMerritt/~3/fjfGmQ-Jyf0/">Flashback Monday – Good News, Great News, &amp; Killer Whale Arms?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

Though I never was an affiliate of Amazon, you know how I feel about affiliates dropping people because they live in certain states.  That's been happening to me since last year, and I'm just glad that not all of my affiliates have dropped me.

I really don't blame Amazon on this one, though.  The states have gotten greedy since the financial crisis hit.  I expect to see more things coming as time goes by, especially if things don't get any better.
.-= Mitch&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ImJustSharing/~3/v8Bj1uvp7So/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Social Media, SEO And Your Business in 90 Minutes&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Though I never was an affiliate of Amazon, you know how I feel about affiliates dropping people because they live in certain states.  That&#8217;s been happening to me since last year, and I&#8217;m just glad that not all of my affiliates have dropped me.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t blame Amazon on this one, though.  The states have gotten greedy since the financial crisis hit.  I expect to see more things coming as time goes by, especially if things don&#8217;t get any better.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Mitch&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ImJustSharing/~3/v8Bj1uvp7So/">Social Media, SEO And Your Business in 90 Minutes</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: John Dilbeck</title>
		<link>http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/2009/06/29/amazoncom-vs-states-associates-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-1765</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dilbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good evening, Deneil.

I don't know what he has decided, if anything, but &lt;a href="http://twitter.com/RichOwings" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;@Rich Owings&lt;/a&gt; said earlier today that he was meeting with his attorney to discuss corporate dissolution and moving out of NC. 

I suspect, but don't know for sure, that he's not the only one. Some people earn pretty big money from Amazon - or at least they did.

Act on your dream!

JD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good evening, Deneil.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what he has decided, if anything, but <a href="http://twitter.com/RichOwings" target="_blank">@Rich Owings</a> said earlier today that he was meeting with his attorney to discuss corporate dissolution and moving out of NC. </p>
<p>I suspect, but don&#8217;t know for sure, that he&#8217;s not the only one. Some people earn pretty big money from Amazon - or at least they did.</p>
<p>Act on your dream!</p>
<p>JD</p>
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		<title>By: Deneil Merritt</title>
		<link>http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/2009/06/29/amazoncom-vs-states-associates-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-1761</link>
		<dc:creator>Deneil Merritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, people are really moving out of NC just to keep doing business with amazon?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, people are really moving out of NC just to keep doing business with amazon?<br />
<span class="cluv"> Deneil Merritt&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DeneilMerritt/~3/fjfGmQ-Jyf0/">Flashback Monday – Good News, Great News, &amp; Killer Whale Arms?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: John Dilbeck</title>
		<link>http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/2009/06/29/amazoncom-vs-states-associates-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-1753</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dilbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good afternoon, Tim.

Welcome to our discussions.

I agree with you. I'm worried about who else will drop all their affiliates on a state-by-state basis. This could have even more serious repercussions.

Act on your dream!

JD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good afternoon, Tim.</p>
<p>Welcome to our discussions.</p>
<p>I agree with you. I&#8217;m worried about who else will drop all their affiliates on a state-by-state basis. This could have even more serious repercussions.</p>
<p>Act on your dream!</p>
<p>JD</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Linden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Linden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep - I got my notice today that I'm no longer an affiliate. Jokes on them though because I haven't made any money from it. What I really worry about is who will follow their lead..
.-= Tim Linden&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href="http://www.timlinden.com/blog/photography/where-did-you-all-go/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Where Did You All Go?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep - I got my notice today that I&#8217;m no longer an affiliate. Jokes on them though because I haven&#8217;t made any money from it. What I really worry about is who will follow their lead..<br />
<span class="cluv"> Tim Linden&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.timlinden.com/blog/photography/where-did-you-all-go/">Where Did You All Go?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://21stcenturyaffiliatemarketing.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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